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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Damn and blast and lots of words that I can't say on this forum. It's worse than ever today and I can't shift it. We've got a houseful of people tonight too - hope they don't want to use the loo much.

:-( I feel like crying.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess that the rods didn't help too much last time then...

I'd have said that if you are having issues having rodded out the pipes, then it's more than likely an issue with the outflow/soakaway that's the problem.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We also had problems with our soakaway and were advised to call "Black Jock" - I think he lives in Wartle near Inverurie.  Everyone seems to know him. He would soon sort it out.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you need to take a step back a bit, WG.  One of your earliest observations was:

wildgarlic wrote:
just looked at the septic tank and it's virtually empty and dry - must be a fairly hefty blockage somewhere. Time for the professionals methinks.


If the tank is dry, ie the level of the crust is below the tank inflow and outflow, then the problem must surely be between the house and the tank.  Don't mistake the dryness of the surface for a dry tank - below that crust is the liquid effluent, and below that, a layer of sludge.  What you are looking for is for the inlet to be clear.

If you are able to use water in the house, and it drains away down the plug hole, then presumably some water is getting through.  It might not be a complete blockage.

You could test this by filling a sink with water, pulling out the plug, and then peeking into the inspection chamber or the tank itself to see if the water is getting through.

Don't expect it to come rushing out immediately or in a torrent, even if the drain is clear - drain pipes are very shallow, so the water and 'stuff' moves very slowly.

If the water drains from the sink very slowly, and you hear a gurgling from the plug hole for a while afterwards (you might also hear it from the bath and basin plug holes at the same time), then there may be a partial blockage causing an air lock.

Rodding will usually work, followed by a bathful of water to really get things moving, regardless of the cause of the blockage.

I presume it isn't just the kitchen sink that exhibits a problem?  Could it be that the sink drain pipe and trap are blocked, and that other drains (basin, bath, toilet, etc) are OK?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the whole lots blocked as far as i understand welly, but i would say your right about it being between the house and tank, and not after the tank, that would be my guess anyway.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry - only just seen this reply.

I think the problem is most definitely between the house and the tank - it's all the drains on one side of the house that are affected - not sure about the ones on the other side because they've not had much use since D has been away. Used the bathroom on that side of the house last day or so and no doubt it will block up eventually too.

The drain hole and inspection outside the backdoor are filling up and stuff isn't getting away. I'll be rodding tomorrow once mum and L are away - poured some stuff down the drains today too but doesn't appear to have made a difference.

I can see a couple of indentations in the ground along what I expect is the route to the septic tank - could that be an indication of a collapse in the drains? I could see the inlet to the septic tank a few feet above the crusty layer but haven't seen the outlet - will give it a better look tomorrow. I will check to see whether there is anything getting through tomorrow too.

Really appreciate all the suggestions - thank you!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was once told to put a dead rabbit (road kill) into the septic tank to encourage the bacteria the bleach kills. ?? if there is any truth in this. Never did try it
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our septic tank man said things like that don't do any good.  Just don't use bleach.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks to the loan of the drain rods Smooth - I think the problem is now fixed. I delved down a few times with the rods and it seems to be flowing nicely now.

Still not sure on the way the septic tank works but the vent showed that water was moving through.

What a relief - thanks for all the help folk.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes i think its fine, im not certain of the way the inlets outlets etc work in the tanks, i only know about concrete pits as such. but it certainly seemed to be working well now,

a job well done,
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