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| wildgarlic |
Fuel PricesHow much are you paying for your petrol/diesel/lpg etcI paid £1.18 the other day for petrol. 
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| Townie |
Unleaded is £1.14.9 not sure how much diesel is | ||||||||
| IainC |
£1.19/l for the STi (V Power) and £1.25/l I think the wife paid for diesel the other day. Think we've seen £1.30+ in places over the weekend though... I just remember being gobsmacked by the price differences everywhere.
I've always been used to paying a bit more for fuel running stuff that needs/uses 97 or 98 RON fuel but it's getting beyond a joke now. They really need to start looking at either removing VAT from fuel or dropping some of the fuel duty 'cos if it continues to increase so much then it really will start affecting services/deliveries (if it hasn't already). |
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| PurpleDragon |
I paid 131.9 in Turriff a couple of days ago, for diesel. | ||||||||
| wildgarlic |
I thought they were talking about an INCREASE in fuel tax though! :-( | ||||||||
| IainC |
Well I guess they'll increase it if they know full well that they won't be in power anymore as it'll help them boost their funds for fighting the election campaign. Honestly could see riots if the fuel went up too high. |
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| kimmie |
....and you dont think its too high now  ... I think i may be clairvoiant .....as I see strikes, go slows and chaos coming!
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| lor138 |
119.9 for diesel the other day in Dyce. 
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| IainC |
It's always been too high IMO
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| baldowrie |
cough...kimmie you been watching the news agian?
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| kimmie |
rarely watch the news baldowrie, its always bad news, and my life is too short to get depressed by things i cant help with!
Besides i have enough with just trying to live my own life
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| Lord_Azrael |
I just get really fed up with the complaints on the price of the fuel...it's not the fuel that's expensive it's the blo*dy tax!
I believe it sits at 75% fuel tax at present!!!!! 
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| Diana |
112.9 for unleaded in Altens last night.
Is it just me, or is there some coincidence that it appears to be cheapest where the oil company offices are? 
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| IainC |
Not always... the Shell in Dyce is normally cheaper than the BP one (which was right beside the old BP offices). Although maybe that's just 'cos Shell want to discount it enough to ensure that the BP one isn't used as much as the Shell one despite the fact that their head office isn't in Dyce
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| pictishpunkgirl |
£1.31.9 for diesel in Turriff. It's really p***ing me off. | ||||||||
| IainC |
At those kinds of prices I could get an extra gallon of fuel per tank and I'm using the "expensive" petrol. Am guessing that someone using the std 95 ron petrol would almost get a gallon and a half to two gallons per tank. Means that a petrol car that has an okay mpg figure is going to be cheaper to run than any of these TDi's soon (if not already). |
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| pictishpunkgirl |
That's what I figured. | ||||||||
| IainC |
A 2001+ Lotus Elise is starting to look more and more like the car to have. Does a decent mpg, is low road tax, is light, etc. Only downsides are that it's a 2 seater and doesn't really have a boot
Boot size isn't an issue for me but with two kids the two seats bit is
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| misteralz |
I'm already having grave doubts about my diseasel Golf build - unless it ends up getting about 60mpg on a mix of diesel, chip fat, waste sump oil and unleaded, I'll be better off shoving a 2 litre petrol motor in it instead.
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| IainC |
Well just to let you know, the Leon Cupra TDi we have averages 55mpg in normal driving... you can eek out 60+ but you need to be driving aiming for that IYKWIM, not just driving normally. I'd imagine the Golf is similar weight or maybe slightly lighter, but not too sure how good that age of TDi is compared to the 150TDi in our Leon (economy wise)? I'd say you'd be lucky to exceed 60mpg in normal driving anyway with it
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| misteralz |
Similar weight? No, just over half. It's a mk2, not a mk4 or 5! It's the old 1.6 GTD lump I'm using, so it's turboed and intercooled, think it's about 90bhp. | ||||||||
| IainC |
A bit more than "just over half" with a std MkII GTi at 936kg and a Leon Cupra at 1333kg
Dunno if the GTD engine is heavier than the GTi one? |
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| misteralz |
It's not a mk2 GTI it's going in...
But aye, call it two thirds, then. |
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| PurpleDragon |
I saw the one by the sports centre was 132.9 yesterday morning |
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| Evilspartacus |
I saw on the news a couple of nights ago that it is £1.40 in Shetland and £1.45 in the Outer Hebrides. | ||||||||
| Lord_Azrael |
..And now, just as I thought it would, fuel thefts have started!...and it's really bad.
One poor lady has already died in an attack at their farm by diesel thieves!!!!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/7471119.stm This is getting insane, the government needs to stop wasting money on unnecesary things and cut the bl**dy fuel duty!!!! |
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| IainC |
Yup... hope you've watched the Mad Max films to get an idea of how it's going to end up. Thing is, the incident above would probably have happened regardless of whether fuel was 80p/l or £1.50l 'cos it sounds very much like they were looking for free fuel, not cheap fuel. Was speaking to someone about this last night and found out that a farm close to us had fuel nicked in the middle of the night as well. Went to fill up todayt and found that the Aberdeen Shell stations are the same as Elgin and Keith (and most of the others by the sounds of it) and are all out of V Power fuel, meant I had to fill up with the std stuff (which means having to keep off boost as much as possible and filling up with V Power as and when I can). |
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| Diana |
Other good "propeganga" (I use that word as what you take from them very much depends on your viewpoint) are: http://www.endofsuburbia.com/ http://www.powerofcommunity.org/cm/index.php
That's not a long-term solution - cutting usage is. If the high prices make people think 2ce about how much fuel they use and reduce consumption then maybe it's not all bad (and yes, I am aware of the wider impact of high fuel prices, but it's not something that's simply going to go away). |
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| Smooth Hound |
theres no doubt its going up further, if they intend on scavenging every little pocket of this earth, then someones got to make it viable for them, itll be either pay or get off the road, and as the unemployment rate is due to spiral out of control too, not so many people will need to get to work anyway, and i cant see anything to suggest it may recover, i wouldnt be surprised at 2 pound a litre by the end of the yr | ||||||||
| kimmie |
One question....
We (as a nation) are panicking about oil and the cost of fuel... What did we do before we relied on this stuff?? |
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| Diana |
The trouble (as I see it) is we gradually became reliant on it and in an ideal world we need to gradually become unreliant on in.
With the majority of people denighing oil will ever run out and that the current high fuel price is all the government's fault I can't see how we'll manage it. |
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| Smooth Hound |
in answer to kimmie, it thnk it would have been horses for the better off and legs for the peasants, which was most people, but there were a third of the amount of population, peoples expectations were lower and people didnt travel 20/50 odd miles to work everyday. | ||||||||
| IainC |
While oil is definitely higher in price at the moment, what most people are screaming about is that the vast majority of the cost in this country is tax not oil price. The goverment have it in their power to make it a lot cheaper per litre overnight which would probably solve a lot of problems for a lot of people. Remember that they take a chunk from the oil company to "allow" them to take it out the ground, they then apply a fuel tax on it and then add VAT on the top of that again. |
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| andybebbington |
my nan still says that she refuses to move away from liverpool home of 65years (at 92) because she has the train station over the road, the bus stop around the corner (the tram terminal was also at the end of the street) she still walks to the shops daily for her shopping her advice to my mum when she was younger was get a job you can walk to then if the transport off you can still get to and from work. andy |
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| Smooth Hound |
makes perfect sense, but its not like that now, people have to take a job where they can, and yes i agree about cities and towns they do have good public services, but dont forget they are having to put here prices up to cover the fuel price too, and small towns and villages and rural areas dont in general have good public services, apart from that i agree 100 per cent with your gran, | ||||||||
| andybebbington |
yeah i would use public transport more my self but being self employed running a fishery, it is 10 miles from home and its on the bus route i dont have reqular enough hours to use the bus quite often when i finish the last bus (2 mile walk away) has already gone | ||||||||
| Julie |
Fuel solutions;
They used to call it 'shanks pony' - using your own two legs
For the more remote, I guess the bicycle and trailer would have to do. We could all offset some of the cost by doing short journeys this way and it would make us all healthier. People like me might have to be a bit more inventive...hmmm...three Jack Russells and a skateboard? There might well be ways that we could all plan our errand running more efficiently too. It might be quite effective if we all cooperated with our neighbours when we have to fetch animal feed, groceries, share a car for kids social stuff or grocery shopping. |
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| Smooth Hound |
i would agree, i think getting to know your neighbours is a big part of it, people should be doing that whilst the chance is here, and organising that sort of thing, trouble is the society or lack of is not geared that way, people tend to think everything will be fine, so long as they can get by then, and they dont tend to do anything till its too late, then they will be there pitch fork in hand protecting there veg and livestock, from anyone after it, which with the price of food going up, will be a very valuable thing, possibly the difference between eating and going hungry. | ||||||||
| beardies |
The thing is you just have to make the most of essential journeys. I had to go to Aberdeen this morning and collected shopping, animal feeds, etc for two different neighbours plus myself en-route. I know that if they go out they will check with me first to see if I need anything. It's pure common sense. | ||||||||
| PurpleDragon |
I am hoping that the whole fuel thing will cause a complete change in people's attitudes.
We will start buying more locally produced produce, from our local shops and meat producers. People will start to use the technology that we are blessed with - more video conferencing instead of long journeys to work. Why sit in an office and type when you can sit at home and do exactly the same thing? People will start to grow more of their own food. Populations and communities will shrink. I think this will happen because we won't be so cash rich, and therefore we will think more before we reproduce - baby or heating oil, sort of thing. (This one is probably fantasy though!) |
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| Julie |
I think a big part of it is identifying the things we can do without too.
Heating oil is a necessity for instance, whereas baby oil is not needed at all (scary mental picture of trying to safely lift a slippery child from the bathtub - shudders ) I know I keep saying this but we, as consumers have to start voting with our feet. If we don't buy it - they'll stop producing it, simple economics. |
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| IainC |
Because in a lot of peoples eyes, someone working from home is skiving and they cannot be trusted to actually get the work done... regardless of the fact I generally get MORE done when I'm working from home than I do when I'm in the office. |
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| wildgarlic |
£1.26/litre this morning
edited to say that was for unleaded |
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| IainC |
Have seen diesel at over £1.30 for the normal stuff. They reckon that diesel is now over £6/gallon in most places. Doesn't seem long since we hit the fiver a gallon and we're over £6 already 
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| Diana |
Sorry to play devil's advocate, but...
Yep - they'll hate the government more.
How long before they cash in on that idea and put prices up?
Some of us already do, but if you have an office of 20 and they all work from home, that's 20 daytime heating bills instead of 1. Pros and cons to everything.
I like that - very much a lot
PLEASE NOTE: The above is not an attack on PD's ideas, just my response. |
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| IainC |
Is that even possible?
Certainly wouldn't be long in happening IMO. |
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| PurpleDragon |
I didn't take it as an attack, Diana - just the truth - unfortunately
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| Smooth Hound |
the onlychange in attitude i see, is people looking for other sources of energy, which in one way isgood, as people are working hard in the alternative energy direction, but unfortunately the people with the power are looking more towards nuclear, and vegetable oil, which both have negative concequences as far as i am concerned,
whilst i agree with what everyones saying , about shared shopping, growing your own food, buying locally and all that, and would advocate that to anyone, but realistically this is an environmental forum , so its inevitable we believe that, because its right, but look around you, most people are on sites watching porn or the horses, or watching people make a fool of themselves on u tube, laughing at others misfortunes. does that seem like a society readty to pedal to the local shop for there neighbours, well not to me , to me it seems like a society that is going off the edge of a cliff and wont know it till they hit the ground, thats about 95 percent of this island. |
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| IainC |
A good chunk of them will need to change their ways though as they simply won't be able to afford it (although how some people manage to bet as much as they do gets by me as well). | ||||||||
| Smooth Hound |
i know what you mean, some people will pay anything to do these things, thats the problem, its the same with fuel, even if it was 2 pound a litre, i bet people wold pay it, and the extra on there deliveries, they would manage until they cant anymore, but they wont have anything sorted or planned, itll be how do we get more money, not how do we do somwething as a community to manage better, i wish i could believe otherwise, but i can only go by my life experience of people. | ||||||||
| beardies |
Don't you think that some people will continue in this vein simply to be seen to be able to afford to do so? I think that is how short-sighted much of this problem is. As said before, people should be looking back at how previous generations got by without transport, growing their own, supporting their communities, etc. | ||||||||
| Smooth Hound |
agreed on both points, all thats going to happen is is that it will be thebeesknees to be able to drive around willy nilly, probably get more birds if your a young bloke, there already paying about a frand a yr to drive, my son would probably go higher, its mad, but they find the money, and they will one way or another, | ||||||||
| IainC |
Yup, know what you mean. If fuel prices go up we'll have no option but to pay them as although I can probably do the vast majority of my job from home (95%-ish) my wife is a nurse so can hardly expect people to come here to be "fixed"
We'd quite like to shift to somewhere where we'd have more space to start doing a lot more for ourselves but unfortunately the property market doesn't seem to have fallen much (enough) for us to get what we want. |
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| kimmie |
please note: house prices are not garage and have been moved to wee blether. |